Would like your comments on the painting so far. I am writing the history of the 489 (NZ) torpedo bomber squadron based in Scotland during the war. The painting background is based on an actual photo of their attack on shipping in the Sogne Fjord in April 1945. I have placed photos of the aircraft where I would like to see them exiting the fjord. The sea in the painting has come out very bright in the photo it is a lot duller than that.
Have you read this ? go down to the black friday section      http://www.mcneillifestories.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=itemlist&task=tag&tag=489%20Squadron              Apart from that I would try to seperate the two on the right a little, maybe bring the one banking Right (large one) to the left so the Fin Tip is in the centre of the pic & push the smaller one more to the right (keep the sizes the same)
Thanks for the comments I think I will delete the a/c behind the larger one. Perhaps I was trying to get to many in and it looks a lot better balanced without it. I have also taken out the big splash as the waterfall hits the sea.              Gollum I have read that article. What has amazed me in doing the research for the book was their ages. 25 years old they were called the old men. I wonder if this generation would sacrifice as much.
You need to have (3) aircraft, they attacked in (3's)      And 3 forms the Art Triangle (standard viewing format) since leonardo      Try what we said & see what you think, & the lower the better....adds speed              As for the ages of the airmen in the artical.....they were very old....pilots in the Battle of britain etc were still teenagers              And yes if push came to shove against someone like Hitler you would have queues miles long waiting to sign up      When the Falklands kicked off they were overwelmed with volunteers wanting to have a go at the Junta      We seem to have a strange mindset in the Uk, we don't really want to start wars...but we do like to finish them
Thats better              I know this is just the beginning but my  eyes keep looking at two things      1) the Waterfall from below the wing      2) the Distinct Line that is on the right from the engine of the main A/C running across the picture      Both are cutting a section out of the picture, that whole section (including the new aiircraft) looks as though it has been plonked there from a different painting, it needs to have a tree/rock breaking the Waterfall line & the line running from the engine needs a tree or something to break the line up      Apart from that to me it is looking good
I started the painting again and now I am up to painting the aircraft which I am finding difficult they don't seem to jump out enough. also tried to add the sense of speed in the water. Your comments are welcome.
Post the picture you are useing so people can point you in the right direction      I would say that the (First) pic you posted of the landscape was better, now it looks to Green, everything takes on a blueness the further it goes back, soften it up as well      You seem to have lost the water level, some is going uphill      From what I can remember (long time ago) the water in the Fiords is Flat Calm              So sort out the mountains etc first, for the water mirror the image (softer colours/less detail) and then Streak it to make it look like water (look at other paintings to see how they did it)              Once that is done the concentrate on the planes, to get them moveing...soft edges at the rear of things like the Fin etc and a few whisps of vapour from the wing tips, and a nice Blur for the props near the spinner to about 3/4 the way up the prop, if you do a full prop circle it will slow the planes down again...props screw thier way through the air so when a plane is moveing you should never in reality see a (Prop Circle)....you only see that when they are stationary
This is the original picture of the fjord that I have based the painting on. Thank you for your comments the first has more depth with the lighter background in the mountains, after your comment and looking at them side by side I agree. The latest picture I put up is very red for some reason.
Is that the mission on youtube where they came over the top of the mountain & down into the cove to make thier attack instead of running up the Fiord ?              I would bring the ships out a bit more so you can see them, it is unclear what the (Blur is) untill you see the screen grab      See if you can find that little place on a map, it might give you a better understanding of what you are actually painting      Google might even have satalite phots
the last couple of days (actually evenings) I have just concentrated on the background. Gollum the fjord I found it is the Sogne Fjord although there was nothing from the angle it has helped a lot.
looks like I have lost some of the photos. Anyway here is the almost complete painting. Sorry taken at night with a flash. Please let me know what i need to correct.                Gollum not sure where to stick the ship you suggested I put in.
Being a bit of a (prig) here....it's a British thing ya know   what I would do>>>>>              Left hand tail plain & wing to long on the main  Beaufighter, tail plain needs to end just before it reaches the mid upper gun position      Left hand wing should end around where you have the roundel (furthest point/furthest edge) (loose about 1/3rd) that should sort the A/C out      Put a few white touches (water lapping) on the shoreline under the R/Hand plane      As for the Ship, just have the Bow & maybe a little superstructure & mast poking out from the smoke, at the moment the smoke looks strange, putting a ship bow etc in will make the viewer know it is  (smoke)      The actual picture is good, looks Fast & low....just what you wanted
Have done some changes put the stern of the ship in with the gun turret and a few explosions around the rear aircraft and added a few wisp of clouds on the far mountains.
Hi napier      I think you are trying to be to accurate to the picture, the ships are tucked away in a cove...yeh fair enough & hidden in smoke              But you still can't see them (it) enough to identify it as a ship, I would pull the ship you are working on out just past the wing tip of the main Beaufighter              I hate being critical              Is this clip on youtube?
Yea don't like the ship anyway. and no the only ones I came across on DVD os the one that mainly shows the mosquito attacking ships.        PS you are not being critical I believe in taking on any suggestions and criticism as that how one learns. Anyway if I did not agree I would do what I do with the wife - do as I was going to do anyway!!
He he              I know what you are saying.....it just seems as though I am being picky              The concept is really good & I want it to look it's best especially as it's for a cover, lets face it a good cover at the least gets the pages opened...all a bad cover does is collects dust no matter how good the book is              That main beaufighter is good enough on it's own to get the pages open      Everything is nearly there....it's just that cove thats my problem, I would put a ship there on fire (small fires starting) but not masses of smoke      There is a clip on you tube you should watch.......i'll find it & post the link tomorrow, there is not that much smoke strait after a quick strike