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Fully agree with what have been said above; this home page is disrupting and I didn’t give a s*** of those mini helicpoters or die cast metal things.

Also last time the main advert was totaly outside our aviation realm, I can’t remeber what it was but it was obvioulsy linked by a tag with somehow some commonality with aviation. That was odd !

I know that Sunny is busy at the moment, be patient…

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October 9, 2012 - 9:36 am
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Strangest thing is I have yet to see some aviation art up for sale

 

How many of us have stuff to sell confused do we have a slot here to sell ?

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October 9, 2012 - 9:49 am
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Maybe we have to make a balance here.Sunny stated he gets money for the adverts which i assume helps him run this website,maybe we may need to all chip in a bit to get the forum to how we want it.

 Personally i don’t look at that page i click straight onto the forum link ,but i do have to say the form is still running slow for me.

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Sunny only gets paid if people click & buy……if (we) are all skipping past the (shop) thats not happeneing

 

I have said several times that we could donate for the upkeep of this site..atfer all the site is for us to show our ware’s

Maybe a poll would be a good idea………thats if we have enough members left to get past a stalemate wink

 

I would love for this to be a aviation art only site as it was before

 

Maybe Sunny could do what he intended in the first place years ago..as in what the site is about..Showing & selling aviation art, there is hardly a shortage of aviation art around here

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October 9, 2012 - 11:49 am
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In answer to Gollum’s question, there is a “buy & sell classifieds” section in the forum. 

In the past, there was also a “Member’s Special Offer” section for artists looking to sell to the eHangar crowd.  I’m not sure if that’s still possible these days, as it used to have a permanent place at the top of the homepage so everyone was sure to see it.

I get a lot of enjoyment out of eHangar, and it has helped me sell a few items from my collection, so I wouldn’t have a problem chipping in a reasonable amount for expenses.

As if to highlight what we’re talking about here, I saw this ad posted last night:

WWII Military Army RAF German Aviator Pilot Design Black Frame Sun UV Protect Wind Biker Jet Goggles Sporty Summer Autumn Fashion Road Bike BMX Motorbike Motorcycle Eye Gear Eyewear

What???

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October 9, 2012 - 4:22 pm
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Thank you for posting your thoughts and comments on this thread. I’ve been travelling a fair bit over the past few weeks and so haven’t had much time to work on the site.

I know captn71 may probably not read this, but I’d like to acknowledge him for his courage in posting and starting this thread, knowing full well that his intentions could be misconstrued, and risking some members getting defensive. I wish him well and take his feedback and opinions to heart.

This thread has since developed further as more points have been raised, and I’d like to address some of them and clarify them.

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When I look at where it says “Most Users Ever Online” at the bottom of the page, it says 44.

When the old eHangar was going strong, there would often be over 200 users logged on.  It was always well over 100.

Then the problems started, and they persisted for a long time, and there are still things that need work.  Most of the time when I log on, there are less than 10 people logged on.  Maybe in the teens.

 Actually, the situation is not far changed from the old eHangar. We never had more than 16 logged in at any one time. The “over 200” was not users logged in, but visitors on the site, which also included search engine bots. For logged-in members, you could see their names on the list, and it was never more than 16 as far as I could tell, and I was watching every day.

The Homepage – I know its not the same as before, and right now, its still a work-in-progress. I have an auto-poster that draws products from Amazon.com using various keywords. There are a few reasons for this, including: to create relevant aviation content that hopefully, will help eHangar rank better in the search engines so that more people can find the site organically; to create articles of interest for visitors. No one person will know everything there is about aviation so I understand if some of you may be baffled by some of the items displayed, such as the modern replica of the world famous RAF Mark VIII pilot’s flying goggles that fuzzy mentioned wink. Of course, when people read/discover some interesting items and choose to buy, the site earns a small commission. So far, 9 items have been bought from Amazon since August, earning a commission of about $13, of which $10.88 came from the sale of an aviation watch. I cannot tell who are the purchasers, but I’d like to thank you if any of the site members are among them. but as you can see, its nothing much to write about, earnings-wise.

However, please don’t get me wrong. I’m not running this site for profit; if I was, this site would have been closed looooonnng ago! :) If I badly needed the money to keep the site running, I would have asked for donations, and as you know, I’ve never ever even hinted at anything like this.

What you’re seeing on the home page and other pages are my attempts to do several things, including making the layout visually more pleasing. I’m reading all your comments about what you like and want and I’m thinking how best to get there. This new site structure has a few restrictions, including the layout framework, and I’m learning as I go along.

The old ehangar looked very dfferent from the ‘original’ eHangar, which took many years to evolve to what it was, even displaying the latest posts from the various sections (that was achieved by some paid professional scripting code). This new eHangar as you see it today should look quite different within a few years.

So while I appreciate that members post to let me know what they want to see on the site, please look beyond what is here, such as even the advertisements, which are for various aviation-related pursuits. If RC is not your scene, that’s ok, it may be for someone else; there’s no need to knock it. :) The ads will change as the site hopefully grows.

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October 10, 2012 - 7:59 am
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I only came across the thread today while at work and saved it so I could read it at home. I have found it really interesting.

I have only been part of the site since December last year as this is when I started painting again after having a 24 year break from it. I agree with many things said and one is that I find the the new site difficult to navigate and find things I want to look at. Also the the listings are not in date order.

Having said that when I first started putting my attempts of paintings up I was getting a lot of comments and direction from the members. This I found very helpful even though some comments I didn’t like first off, but when I went away and thought about them they were correct in what they were saying. I have and still are learning a lot from the site even if I am just looking at how other people are putting their paintings together and comment the members are saying about them.

I myself am intimidated in commenting about members painting probably because I still don’t have the experience and confidence in my own paintings cry and what I am doing, but I feel that I am improving because of the members on this site and their contribution they put in. In fact I have now two new commissions that I am just starting to put together because of everybody’s input. 

I’ll finish by saying this is one site I look at two or three times a day and feel part of the family.kiss

It is still very slow at times.

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October 10, 2012 - 11:11 am
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napier,

I’m glad to hear about your experiences.  In a nutshell, that’s a big part of what this site is supposed to be about.  So, despite issues with the new site, it’s helping artists and collectors.  I still think there is lots of room for improvement in the site, and hope to see it get there someday.

On the topic of speed, it’s great for me.  I experienced lots of slowness on the old site.  A short time after the new site was brought up, the speed issues went away for me.  I’m not saying it’s like lightning, but I am saying I don’t find myself noticing having to wait on the site to respond in a timely manner.  Sounds like that may not be the case for some members?

fuzzy

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October 10, 2012 - 12:47 pm
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Some good comments on the site are coming out, hopefully (we) as a group will eventually get the ideal site for those who dabble with paint and those who collect the paint from us once it has dried smile

 

Napier….Don’t forget to post the paintings you are doing….we will all like to see what you are doing

 

Is the Beaufighter painting finished yet ?

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Yes, honestly the recent site has not become appealing to me with the current set up. In the past one could view immediately the work by which artist and then who replied. Some of the appeal for collectors is the artist that has done the work and an immediate recognition to a popular subject or artist. No more. I cannot find who did what after posting a topic and the last person who made a reponse is after the “BY”, and no one knows the originator of the work.
On my iPad I still have to add an equation in able to make a response. On my Mac I have to place a little widget into a circle. Hopefully I will have a baby soon if conceived properly……
As far as what this site is about, I feel that the remaining folks here do want to assist others who ask for it. I for one would not hold back if it was not a piece that I thought needed something to help it out, from my personal point of view and mine only. There may be many collectors who look at posts and most likely will not speculate what to adjustments they might make from an artists perspective. They will comment if it is liked or if they might buy it, but generally not much in the way of critique. We are all here to help. If one has had enough then they have had enough and probably best to move on. In most cases they might be back as to date there is not much out there in the way of a specialized aviation art site such a eHangar.
Hopefully over a period of time some of these minor annoyances that currently exist will be ironed out and we can retain/regain participants. This is no way a slam on Sunny or anyone and I hope this is not taken as such, just some gripes from a long timer. :)

Brian

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Brian Bateman said
if you should need the honest and sometimes brutal critique please send your work over to me or any artist you may admire on this forum and we can be of assistance. Recently I have begun teaching classes which helps me as much as hopefully it helps others. Also remember that no responses sometimes does not mean that people are not viewing the artwork, just that sometimes they may reserve comments as to not step on toes. I have been pleasantly surprised on what art receives comments sometimes and what does not, and in general I have been treated exceptionally well here, with my learning curve progressing leaps and bounds over where I had started when I first signed up many years ago. If you would like a mentor from myself or any of the artists on the forum please feel free to ask or send the art via PM. Generally us artistic types enjoy giving our suggestions and critiques as long as the recipient is open and willing to receive what is asked. Many times I have seen that the artist gives a critique then the other party gets their feelings hurt or may become angry in defiance and it sometimes becomes ugly.

I have asked a few artsts on here for critiques on certain pieces, some top names here, and they are extremely approachable and willing to assist you. Please consider these options before you take your toys and go home. 

 

I think there are many reasons why ehangar’s activity seems to have dropped off lately, most of those have been alluded to here already. As for the critique participation, I think Brian nailed it. I personally stopped participating in the critique section long ago because there were simply too many cooks in the kitchen, so to speak. Ideally, in a public critique you usually limit the critics to one or two designated artists. Any more than that and it just becomes a free-for-all – “art by committee”, so to speak. I’m not sure that there is a good solution to that in an online format without asking a few individuals to devote all of their time to being designated critics. Like Brian, I too am more than happy to offer a helpful critique if I am specifically asked for one.

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afraid I am also off, I have posted many times, only to see a response or two then the thread deleted. Emails go unanswered, as to why the threads where deleted so on an so forth. Site speed is still appalling, and there is just way tooo much in your face adverts on the home page to make it interesting to look for new posts.

 

I am still collecting, prints and originals, but I guess I wont be on here any more.. happy collecting!

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October 11, 2012 - 7:03 pm
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I have full confidence in Sunny.

A couple of personal observations. 

The site needs a true masthead — eHangar should be stretched across the top.   

As laid out it doesn’t feel like a homepage, iit’s not welcoming. 

Does anyone want to see the “Top Ten Most Active Members” at the top right edge of the page? Should it be that prominent? I am more curious about the Forum content than who was here and when.  

Can the Amazon book blurbs be shrunk so they don’t take up a generous 40% of the page width on the left side, plus resuming beneath the “Recent Forum Posts” down the right side continuing half way down the page. I frequently click on the interesting book links to read the Amazon reviews but let’s be candid, I and most others come here for the aviation art and the Forum Posts — especially the WIPs! If Sunny can recoupe some his out-of-pocket operating expenses via Amazon and an ocassional item purchased, that’s cool!, but as laid out now it feels as though the tail is wagging the dog.

As a suggestion move the ad blurbs down the page; those interested will still check them out.   

About the “Recent Forum Posts” there is room for only five active links. That may be fine if you check the site daily, but if you visit less frequently entire topics disappear which you might otherwise have posted on.     

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October 12, 2012 - 7:39 am
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C’mon Russ, too much cookers in the kitchen, there’s nobody anymore… the critics that were given by the “pro” were quite consctrutive and were adding the educational part that was the beauty of being here.

Since few months, we’re more on “the slap on the back” attitude. Remember that one ?

 

I’m still convinced that FB is dragging away the ehangar aficionados, it’s  just more easy to “like” rather than develop an answer.

 

V.

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What this place needs is (More input) from the likes of Russel / Brian / steve H etc chipping in on the critique, it is the professionals that we look to for inspiration and insite….it would be nice to see some of the other professional (members) such as Mark Postlethwaite here once in a while as well

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Thanks guys for the further comments and to Erik for his vote of confidence :)

I hear that many of you would like to see more forum updates on the home page and so I have set up RSS feeds that pull the latest from the two main sections of the forum, the Aviation Art Collectors and Aviation Artists sections.

For the former, the updates include the author’s name, topic title and date, while for the latter, the listings also include the post content, which makes the column longer.

Please let me know which format you guys prefer – with or without the content.

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That makes more sense & looks much better cool

 

I feel sorry for you having to put up with all this Bitching, you must have the patience of a Saint smile

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