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Brochure for Richard Taylor's Ramraiders arrived in the post
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Now turn to page 40. In the upper right-hand corner of the page you will see a still taken from Oberfeldwebel Gerhard Marburg’s gun-camera from a mission he flew with IV.(Sturm)/JG 3 on 08 May 1944. Visible in the still is another FW-190 approaching a formation of B-24s. Although the quality of the still is grainy, I would interpret that the FW-190 has no drop tank attached.

OK i see your point, but by what you are saying since that same footage contains a B-24, you are saying that EVERY allied aircraft in the sky that day was a B-24. Just cos one aircraft shows no drop tank you are saying that the whole german Luftwaffe entered battle with a clean aircraft. I’m sure there were numerous occasions that they did go into battle clean, but there are probably also numerous times that they didn’t, esspecially late war when all sorts of supplies were hard to come by.

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Now turn to page 40. In the upper right-hand corner of the page you will see a still taken from Oberfeldwebel Gerhard Marburg’s gun-camera from a mission he flew with IV.(Sturm)/JG 3 on 08 May 1944. Visible in the still is another FW-190 approaching a formation of B-24s. Although the quality of the still is grainy, I would interpret that the FW-190 has no drop tank attached.

OK i see your point, but by what you are saying since that same footage contains a B-24, you are saying that EVERY allied aircraft in the sky that day was a B-24. Just cos one aircraft shows no drop tank you are saying that the whole german Luftwaffe entered battle with a clean aircraft.

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That is a MUCH broader verdict than the one I was trying to reach about whether the FW-190 in Richard Taylor’s painting should have been depicted carrying a drop tank or not. I had pointed out some photos that I had run across during some early research into this matter that showed:

(1) Unteroffizier Willi Maximowitz’s Fw-190 (the same one in Richard Taylor’s depiction) returning from a mission without any external stores. Although the caption reads that he is back from a Jabo mission, I was entertaining the thought that that photographic interpretation could have been made in error, and he could possibly be returning from a bomber interception mission without the drop tank.

(2) That another FW-190 from the same unit, IV.(Sturm)/JG 3 in this case, was attacking a formation of B-24s without the drop tank. That still parallels the circumstance in Richard Taylor’s painting more than any other I have run across to date.

Just for the record, I was not implying that “Just cos one aircraft shows no drop tank you are saying that the whole german Luftwaffe entered battle with a clean aircraft.” What I WAS saying, is that with those photos in hand, I could, and did I thought, better argue that at least some pilots assigned to IV.(Sturm)/JG 3 had adopted tactics that would give them a better chance to survive this type of combat than the directives that OKL was handing down at the time. And that a still showing an attack by a IV.(Sturm)/JG 3 bird against a B-24 formation better argues the case sans drop tank than a still showing a FW-190 from an unidentified unit with a drop tank attacking a B-24 formation, in the case of this particular depiction.

Nor was I trying to make the point that “EVERY allied aircraft in the sky that day was a B-24.”

What does, however, intrigue me is the fact the 190s are in a fairly tight formation during their attack. Most of the footage I’ve seen shows a single aircraft tearing through the bomber formation as fast as possible to avoid being hit by defensive fire. Holding formation with fellow attacking aircraft is wrong on many levels, surely this could not have been Luftwaffe tactics at the time?

The Sturmjager pilots were quite successful with the mass attacks, in the absence of Allied escort fighters. A very high percentage of the bombers they concentrated on failed to return from their missions. It is not very hard to interpret which Bomb Groups were the victims of these attacks when you see loss rates reported in the 13 of 18 or 14 of 18 range. The philosophy that they employed was that if an attack was made solo, every rear-facing gunner in the bomber formation would get a crack at them. When mass attacks were employed, the fire from those gunners would have to be divided amongst the attackers.

At this point in time (June 1944) the green colour would most likely still have been RLM 74 dark grey. This was officially replaced by RLM 83 dark green from August onwards. I also believe that at this point in time droptanks would indeed be dropped before an attack. It wasn’t until a few months later that things became seriously desperate and G?¶ring ordered the tanks to be preserved.

According to Kenneth A. Merrick and Thomas H. Hitchcock’s “The Official Monogram Painting Guide to German Aircraft 1935-1945” the Focke-Wulf Fw 190 A-8 factory applied camouflage was a splinter scheme of 74/75 (Gray-Green/Gray-Violet) on the upper surfaces, with fuselage mottle of 74 (Gray-Green) sometimes combined with 02 (Gray). Richard’s selection of gray-green seems to be more in the range of the 82 (dark-green) paint chip that I am looking at.

I’m surprised no one has commented on the shape of the rudders in the Taylor print. All them appear to have curved trailing edges. I can forgive drop tanks, but not errors in shapes that significantly characterise an aircraft. It also looks too broad.

Good observation. A quick reference to a side profile reveals that the rudder is rounded from the top around to a point roughly in line with the indentation at the top of the vertical stabilizer, then straight until it reaches a line drawn aft of the horizontal stabilizer chord line, then picks up a rounded shape again to the terminating point at the bottom.

I just love it in these discussions how we dissect every little detail on a painting. Very informational, educational and entertaining!

Sunny, it is fun to check these things over. Of course it must be taken in the context, in my case anyway, that it is coming from someone that would probably put his eye out if I attempted to even hold a paint brush. But as a collector and enthusiast in this area, these types of details, or the absense of them, can sway me one way or the other when it comes time to decide whether or not to make a purchase.

Funny thing, I actually like this piece, and rate it close to his P-47 work. I’m feeling a bit low on caffeine at the moment, so off I go for a cappuccino. Is that a big sigh of relief I hear from you fellas?

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March 23, 2007 - 4:10 pm
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When I created the image of Oskar Boesch’s Fw190 attacking B-24s for the White 1 Foundation, the ‘to include or not include’ side of things WRT the droptank was one thing I had to consider. I dug into the whole subject as much as was possible, and it still seemed to me that there could be incidents when the tanks were ditched, and other times when they were not – this despite orders from high command or the combat situation of the time. Put simply, it’s not certain either way 😉

The Virtual Aircraft Website:

http://www.the-vaw.com

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March 24, 2007 - 6:47 am
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Jerry, since we’re on this topic, would you like to post your image here for comparison purposes?

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March 24, 2007 - 8:12 am
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A large size image of part of the artwork can he seen here…

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http://www.the-vaw.com

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Really nice close-up of the Fw-190 fuselage here:

http://www.brooksart.com/Ramra…..etail.html

Gives a good idea of colors. Check out how the pilot is painted. Now there’s a strong family resemblence – it looks just like a Robert Taylor pilot. Some will find this a good thing, some won’t.

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The original is now for sale. See here : http://www.milartgl.com/

Original canvas is 24″ x 36″

Price: USD 14,500.00

The initial purchaser of ‘Ramraiders’ is IMHO doing the artist a disservice by reoffering the painting at such a price at this early stage in RT2’s career and in doing so is trying to set a benchmark price for his original works that will not be sustainable IMO. 🙁

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Are you saying that the price is too low for Richard Taylor’s standard ❓

On a lighter note, you know how some people like to add little embellishments to their signatures, like XXX’s denoting kisses, or little hearts?

Looking at the picture frame, I believe our friends from JG54 were the first to start this trend!
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April 20, 2007 - 12:59 am
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Are you saying that the price is too low for Richard Taylor’s standard ❓

Just the opposite… sorry if I didn’t make myself clear first time around… have re-edited the post now to clarify. 🙂

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April 20, 2007 - 6:23 am
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Really nice close-up of the Fw-190 fuselage

That’s looking much better than the previous scans I saw of it.

Stormchaser, I understand what you’re saying. Especially if it won’t sell at this price… 🙄

I thought I’d throw in another drop tank comment… When I interviewed Bill Lyons for my Tiger’s Revenge artwork, I asked him about droptanks. He said that he never saw a German aircraft with droptank, which kind of surprised me.

My aviation art @ http://www.skyraider3d.com
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I think that I’ve already asked somewhere around here but what’s the medium used to have the signatures at the back of the original ? did a simple ink marker would have negative effect on the canvas itself and then ruin the artwork ? just curiousity from me mates… 8)

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In response to the US pilot who never saw a German aircraft with a droptank, there are some important points to keep in mind.

First, there were plenty of US pilots who flew entire tours without seeing a German aircraft. Many who only saw them a couple of times during their tour. There were even US aces who only saw German aircraft a few times. They were lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time, and skilled enough to score when they had their few opportunities.

Typical mission tallies for US fighter pilots might be 50 to 125. The US had a lot of fighter groups and a lot of pilots. It might seem surprising, but there was not much action for the majority of them. Especially later in the war.

Of course, there were exceptions. The early fighter groups, like the 56th & 4th, saw more than their share in the early days when the Luftwaffe was still out in force.

So, it’s not a big surprise to run across an individual pilot who didn’t see drop tanks on a German aircraft. If he was typical of US pilots, he probably only ran across the Luftwaffe on rare occasion.

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Resurrecting this thread from the dead, I just ordered a (single) Remarque copy of this print and it seems that there is just one more single Remarque available.

Just tossing that info out there. cheers

And Wings Fine Art’s 20% off Father’s day sale runs until the first of July.

I cook corn....

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Cool Buzz,

Show us a pic when you get the remarque!

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I shall. For whatever reason I don’t have anything featuring the FW190 and I’ve liked this print since I first saw it. So I decided that as long as Mike Johnson was having a 20% sale, I’d grab just the cheap edition. He also had listed that remarques were still available so being a bit intrigued I gave Mike a call. He wasn’t sure on the remarques so he made a call, called me back and asked what I wanted in a single as the double remarques were gone. Sounds like RT2 has some time on his hands so in a couple of months we’ll see what his version of a right to left, 3/4 front view with the wheels down looks like.

I haven’t commissioned a remarque in over 25 years so I’m a bit excited. dance2

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