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I??β„’m new to aviation art but I now own 18 prints. These are from the current market. My preference for subject matter is WWII. I am recently amazed that so much is available currently.

My questions are:

How long has this been going on?
What sources are there for sold out prints?
How far back do they go?
What kind of trade/purchase possibilities are there?

Sorry for being so naive but I can??β„’t help but think that I have scratched the surface of something much more extensive.

Tom

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Hello Tom and welcome to eHangar,

This is your last chance. After this, there is no going back. You take the blue pill and the story ends. You wake in your bed and you believe whatever you want to believe.

You take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes.

Remember that all I am offering is the truth. Nothing more.

:hys

I am going to assume that you took the red pill.

Seriously, aviation art began to really catch on, as we know it now, in the early to mid 80s. Sources can be any number of galleries that specialize in aviation art. Most of them can be found online. There is also ebay. Most secondary market purchases will probably have to be bought outright. A very small percentage of my collection was acquired thru direct trade with individuals, as I sometimes buy duplicates of prints that I think will be popular to use as “trade bait”. My trades have been with friends or galleries that I have done business with in the past. But by far cash is going to be king when pursuing those hard to find secondary market prints. If you have a wish list, post it in the “Classified Ads” on the eHangar homepage, and maybe someone will run across something where they can steer you in the right direction. Good luck!

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Thanks for your reply:

I took the red pill about 5 months ago. I now own 22 prints includint the one of Pappy by Jim Laurier. But the real proof the you are right about taking the “RED PILL” is that it just recently it dawned on me that there must be a WHHHOOOOLLEE lot of paintings that I don’t know about. I mean the prints that have run their course and sold out. I am very interested in finding information about that stuff that must be out there and is not necessarily for sale.

Tom 😯

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February 6, 2007 - 5:23 am
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My questions are:
What sources are there for sold out prints?
How far back do they go?

Doc, take a look here at Wings Brokerage Service… it will give you an idea of the possibilities that are available… in this case for the work of Robert Taylor. wink

http://www.wings-fine-arts.com…..8;startby=

… and welcome to eHanger. πŸ™‚

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February 6, 2007 - 8:00 pm
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Wings Fine Arts is more than a bit optomistic in prices. Riveting Images has a large collection for sale as single pieces. Also try asking for specific wants in the ads section of this site.

Mark

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February 6, 2007 - 10:48 pm
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I??β„’m new to aviation art but I now own 18 prints.
Sorry for being so naive but I can??β„’t help but think that I have scratched the surface of something much more extensive.

Tom

OK Tom
I’ll take the bait πŸ˜• you did in your own words say you were naive to Aviation art. But never one to put off a fellow collector……..and boy are they needed on this site!

Your 22 prints are by who?
Are you collecting by artist, by subject, by watercolour, by oil on canvass or something called multimedia/digital art? wink
Are you interested in sold out prints by……..Mark Postlethwaite, Keith Woodcock, Gerald Coulson, Ivan Berryman, Phil West, Stephen Brown, Simon Smith, Geoff Nutkins, Bill Perring, Michael Rondot, Stuart Brown, Michael Turner,….or have you come into this field via Nick Trudgian and Robert Taylor…………….what bit of the surface have you already “scratched”

I’m sure we can help further…I’m sure you’ve already looked through the “Aviation Art Directory” here on ehangar

How long has it been going on you ask, people like Frank Wootton were aviation war artist’s during WWII, the brothers John and Paul Nash were commissioned war artist’s recording aviation scenes from WWI….so you’ve entered into a fascinating art subject…good luck with your research

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February 8, 2007 - 11:07 pm
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Well it looks like true to form
πŸ™ I’ve once again stopped this thread in it’s tracts.

I’m going to log off now (see my other post)

For a time (a couple of years?)it was a pleasure contributing here.

best regards

daz

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February 9, 2007 - 12:13 pm
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Not at all. Thanks to all those who responded with answers and suggestions. Its busy this week and it will be some time before I can answer in full.

Partial answer is:

I started by buying prints that were cool looking andor favorite subjects. I am very disappointed in what I found available for the Hellcat. Then I discovered signatures so I changed my focus and included that as a criteria for my choices. After that I found artists like John Shaw that really captured a great blend of story history and great looking work.

Your insight on my entry via Nick Trudgian and Robert Taylor and Phillip West is very correct the others you mentioned are unfamiliar.

My project is to finish my basement and fill it with books furniture artifacts and PRINTS of WWII vintage, with a focus on aviation.

I haven’t looked at any of the suggested sites or artists yet. All of the responses were great and when I have time I will thoroughly explore all suggestions.

You guys are a great help πŸ™‚

Thanks so much

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Tom,

You are right, the Hellcat has gotten shortchanged in aviation art world. However, there are a few good ones out there:

Ted Wilbur’s “High Side Attack Over Leyte Gulf”

http://www.usni.org/webstore/s…..p?id=17359

I think Wilbur’s print is the best Hellcat print out there. Also, it is signed by David McCampbell – the Navy’s highest scoring ace and the US’s highest scoring ace to survive WW2 (Bong & McGwire – p-38 aces – didn’t survive).

Roy Grinnell’s “Unlucky Seven”

http://www.roygrinnell.com/ima…..ane17m.jpg

Excuse the crummy image. I can’t find a good one on the web. This print is pretty nice in person. It’s fairly large, and the Hellcat virtually fills the image – giving a sense of it’s great size and power. Also signed by McCampbell.

Of course, Taylor’s “Hellcat Fury” deserves a mention. It focuses on the important ground support work done by the Hellcat. However, I would have loved for him to portray it dueling Zeros. That’s the real claim to fame of the Hellcat.

Robert Taylor’s “Hellcat Fury”

http://www.brooksart.com/Hellc…..fury2.html

I’d recommend the “War in the Pacfic” edition of that print. For an extra $80, you get 8 pilot signatures instead of 3, and you get a nice companion print of a Corsair signed by Archie Donahue.

fuzzy

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Fans of the Hellcat and Cdr McCampbell in particular may not have seen this photo before. Standing on the right is Plane Captain E. E. Carrol.

Jack Fellows photo

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πŸ™‚ What can I say…. I have found a wonderful source of information in this forum. My only regret is that I didn’t find you folks sooner.
My tremendous thanks for the feed back, and fielding my newby questions.

All the best

TOM

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No problem Tom,

There aren’t as many collectors here as you would hope, but there are a few, and we are always willing to help a new collector.

I’ve been collecting for about 15 years now, and I try to keep tabs on what’s available. Whatever you are looking for, feel free to ask.

By the way, all three of those prints are available – they have not sold out so you won’t have to pay secondary market prices.

Here’s one I forgot. It’s secondary market, but the prices aren’t too high if you shop around. No pilot signatures. It’s stunning in person:

William S. Phillips “And Now the Trap”

http://www.greenwichworkshop.c…..ype=artist

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February 11, 2007 - 7:29 pm
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I am very disappointed in what I found available for the Hellcat.

Don’t know if this painting by Michael Turner ever made it to print… but for Hellcat action it can’t be beaten in my book. 😎


Cdr David McCampbell flying his famous Grumman Hellcat ‘Minsi Three’ destroys one of nine Zeros that he shot down in a single action during the Battle of Leyte Gulf in the Philippines.

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Great advice: I did get “Hell Cat Furry” becuse of the signatures Alex Veraciu (SP?) and McWhorter (Sp?). There are some good ones out there. It’s just that for the work the Hellcat did in Pacific it’s under represented. Turners print of McCampbells Minsi is awesome.

Tom

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another interesting Hellcat print is Trudgians
Scramble For The Marianas”…..

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I think one of the best signed Hellcat prints is the 25 1/2 x 20 signed by both David Mc Campbell and artist John Ficklen. (see the images listed for John D. Ficklen, in the Directories/Aviation Artists, on this website) Not often seen, and long since sold out, since it was a ltd edition of 950 in 1981. for the REGULAR prints…Ficklen’s work still gets strong money even on Ebay!. because his aero art is in many major museums. and was commissioned by some of them. Since his work was so well respected, he was able to get many of the top Aces to sign his prints of their famous feats.. I have his prints signed by George Gay; Bob Johnson; Francis Gabreski; Jimmy Doolittle; Johnny Johnson; Bob Stanford Tuck; Erich Hartmann; Adolf Galland; Boots Blesse; Alex Vraciu; Hub Zemke; Chuck Yeager, and David McCampbell. Can’t get much better than THOSE! That is real History..
The Hellcat print has the large clear signature of McCampbell (The Top scoring WWII Ace of the Navy and Medal of Honor receipient) right in bottom center in mine, which is #30 of 50 Artist Proofs. I think I have all but one or two that John ever did. He also does scratch-built, finely-detailed models for the Smithsonian and others. I have a few of those also. And every time he delivered one, over the years,he would bring me some prints, too. I even have the large rare, 1983 ltd/signed print he did “Great Moments In Aviation History, signed by him and 24 of the some of the most famous men in aviation history from WWI up..to Columbia Space Shuttle. Awesome…All are stored flat and have never been rolled. It is sure hard to pick favorites from all these..Every one is a great image and story and signature. All pencil-signed, so no loss from fading…

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:drool1

What can I say. I couldn’t find Ficklen in the Directories/Aviation Artists. Did I do something wrong?

Tom

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Hi Tom;
I had the same problem at first. If you look at the Directory / Artists, You/we went through the list that started with “John” and he was not there (throught the John Young)in Alphbetical order!?
But you have to keep going further down the list, as, after all the “Johns” (through John Young) The John list starts ANEW with John PLUS a MIDDLE INITIAL, in alphabetical order. so you have to continue down the listing (On page seven if you start from the first page of the directory, I think) to get to John “D” Ficklen. Then click on his name. Once you get to his page, click on the “Show aviation artwork by John D. Ficklen” and you will see about 11 of his works with description and even some useful, previous recorded sale prices on the SECONDARY MARKET..
πŸ’‘ Strong suggestion to Sunny and Moderators: I think the Directory of Artists would be MUCH more utilitarian, if you listed the artists , alphabetically, by their LAST name. A LOT of people (new/potential collectors, especially) are not going to know the FIRST name of numerous famous aviation artists…Sometimes, I forget, mySELF embarassed

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One of the best results of this thread for ME, is getting out all my John D. Ficklen signed & autographed prints , again. Great to marvel at them and know I am handling the same EXACT print/item that was once in the very hands of some of the world’s most famous Aces and aviators.
I also discovered that I have an EXTRA 28 x 20 print of the Bf 109G, prominently hand-signed by Erich Hartmann, (and Ficklen, of course)
While paying $2,800 for some third-party appraisal services, a couple of years ago, one of the leading professional appraisers, in the field of aviation signatures, spoke to me at length, on how Erich Hartmann is one of the more frequent/prevalent forgeries of Aces’s autographs. being the leading Ace of all-time. Like baseball cards, he thought that a very high percentage of the Ebay offerings of Hartmann autographs were forgeries, in his experience.
Since this one was handed directly from John D.Ficklen to me, and he also remembered to bring me the official Certificate of Authenticity that goes with this print. (#838 of ltd edition of 950). I can easily give a life-time guarantee on this signature. I have thousands of signed historic aviation documents & photos in my own collection-so I am extra-careful not to “taint” the collection with any questionable signatures. In the 5th edition of Sanders’ “Guide to Autographs” (the Autograph Dealers and collectors’ “Bible.”) a signed photo of Hartmann is valued at $395.. This one still in original shrink-wrap with stiffening board. I’d sell it for that autograph price and INCLUDE free professional packing and shipping flat (not rolled) to lower 48 states. Other areas add a bit more shipping if you want. OR-Will trade for WWI art. WWI aviation memorabilia, rare books etc.
I THINK I also have an extra Ficklen signed/ signed 30 x 17 1/2 print in same condition, of P-51B “Ding Hao” signed by Medal of Honor Ace Gen James H. Howard, who was an Ace with 6 1/2 Victories in the American Volunteer Group. ( and again,with 7 more German a/c in Europe) Would offer at $300. if interested , with the C of A, of course. but PLUS shipping.
Let me know and I would check on number etc..(out of 950)

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πŸ’‘ Strong suggestion to Sunny and Moderators: I think the Directory of Artists would be MUCH more utilitarian, if you listed the artists , alphabetically, by their LAST name. A LOT of people (new/potential collectors, especially) are not going to know the FIRST name of numerous famous aviation artists…Sometimes, I forget, mySELF embarassed

Hi Guys… to search alphabetically by Last Name, you need to use the advanced search function with the drop down menus. Click on the artist’s name in the drop down and then click search… in seconds you will have the page you are seeking. wink

If you scroll down on the first page of the Directory of Aviation Artists you will find the advanced search options which look like this… Last Name search drop down highlighted here in red.

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