eHangar.com - Forum: Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art Simple:Press Version 5.5.6 fuzzy on "The Dambusters - Three Good Bounces" by Robert Taylor http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/the-dambusters-three-good-bounces-by-robert-taylor#p55138 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/the-dambusters-three-good-bounces-by-robert-taylor#p55138 One item of interest is the signatures on this print, which include:

Dr Mary Stopes-Roe - The daughter of Sir Barnes Wallis who, as a child, helped inspire her father to develop the Bouncing Bomb.

Just curious if collectors find this particular signature compelling or not, since there's not as direct a connection to the raid in comparison to the aircrew.

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Fri, 01 May 2015 01:30:44 +0000
Peter on Collecting Aviation Art: A dying market? http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/collecting-aviation-art-a-dying-market#p55118 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/collecting-aviation-art-a-dying-market#p55118 I also wonder just how much of the market contraction is down to the recession. I started collecting around 2001 and whenever I wanted to pass on a print, I never had an issue selling it or getting a good price. I found a lot of my sales were coming from the USA and Canada in particular.

I started my little business just before the recession hit. In a way I saw it coming, as I noticed sales to the USA and Canada just simply stopped dead. The UK soon followed.

As has been mentioned, amongst the more general population interest in AV Art has diminished as people have had to concentrate on the art of living & surviving. I also think that we as a hobby / business are going to have to work at it a lot more to drive that interest up.

I think 'Taylor Prints' comment "Will it ever recover, frankly no, unless something drives a lot of interest which is unlikely" is a little fatalistic, in that its up to us to do that !

I recently went to a Militaria Fair here in the UK. I had two portfolio folders full of prints ranging from just £10 to £250. All of the enthusiasts were busy buying guns, knives and clothing. Only a handful of them actually looked through the prints. No-one bought any and I was the only stall selling them. Am I going to go there again - Yes. I think we have become too complacent expecting the market to come to us. 

In a way its a bit like Ehanger. It did drop off many peoples radar and went the way AV Art has. But it seems to be picking up again. I'm back. So are others. How can we expect people to be interested in AV Art when a website and forum dedicated to it sees a reduction in its popularity and useage ? The point I'm making is I think its just a sign of the times. As I think Fuzzy mentioned, when money is tight, no-one is going to spend it on something that hangs on a wall.

The recession is not over yet but things are slowly improving. The AV Market will be different, but as people have the disposal income to spend once again, I'm confident it will still be there !

Pete

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Fri, 24 Apr 2015 09:56:14 +0000
Peter on Collecting Aviation Art: A dying market? http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/collecting-aviation-art-a-dying-market#p55114 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/collecting-aviation-art-a-dying-market#p55114 CBI - Lowering prices means less profit and Ebay is not a cheap place to sell. Especially when they started charging you a final selling fee on your postal costs !

I traded on Ebay for around 4 years and just discounted and discounted until prints sold. I probably got my money back, but certainly did not make any profit. So what was the point bothering in the first place ?

I still use Ebay but only for genuine 'sale' items that I'm offering and as a marketing tool to let people know I exist. It works as I had a very large order a couple of months back which started with the customer seeing my Ebay adverts. And I have sold a small number of big ticket items like Robert Taylors Malta George Cross Set through Ebay which does make it worthwhile even if there are only a few of these a year.

So I keep a few adverts on there - no shop, its cheaper just to stick them on for a month and then re-apply them again. Just do not ask me for a price reduction !

Pete

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Thu, 23 Apr 2015 22:50:37 +0000
Peter on "The Dambusters - Three Good Bounces" by Robert Taylor http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/the-dambusters-three-good-bounces-by-robert-taylor#p55113 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/the-dambusters-three-good-bounces-by-robert-taylor#p55113 I have to say, I love the lighting and colour if the posted picture is true to the actual print. That really looks like a real fire burning at the bottom of the dam and lighting up the underside of the aircraft.

The third aircraft looks a bit odd flying in the middle of the area up above. Has it completed a run and is banking around to see the action ?

Pete

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Thu, 23 Apr 2015 22:33:25 +0000
Peter on What's My Print Worth!!!??? (an eBay case study) http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/whats-my-print-worth-an-ebay-case-study#p55112 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/whats-my-print-worth-an-ebay-case-study#p55112 I'm not really sure what the figures imply as I'm guessing the items were sold as auction lots.

I can put an auction on for a print with a start price of £1 GBP and only one person might bid on it that time. So they get a great deal, and I do not !  My next advert could have 5 people bidding on it, with two determined to win it thinking its the only one around, so it goes for £600. It's all down to who is around at the time so I'm not surprised to see big differences with auction lots.

Interesting to note that the seller only sold 10 of the prints on Ebay over 5 years. That does sum up my experience that AV art on Ebay is slow moving !

Pete

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Thu, 23 Apr 2015 22:26:50 +0000
Guss on "The Dambusters - Three Good Bounces" by Robert Taylor http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/the-dambusters-three-good-bounces-by-robert-taylor#p55081 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/the-dambusters-three-good-bounces-by-robert-taylor#p55081 I had a similar reaction CBI - although the two paintings seem to depict the same bomb-run (and the similarities are amazing), there are enough differences in the attitudes and the amount of lag between the plane and the bomb that you wonder which is a more accurate depiction of the way the attack was actually carried out.  That said, I'm probably being too nit-picky.  Personally, I prefer the RT painting.

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Thu, 16 Apr 2015 16:20:42 +0000
CBI on "The Dambusters - Three Good Bounces" by Robert Taylor http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/the-dambusters-three-good-bounces-by-robert-taylor#p55080 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/the-dambusters-three-good-bounces-by-robert-taylor#p55080 on the RT1 image.  which Lanc has dropped the bomb?  I know its the one in the background but the bomb looks way too close compared to the angle.  Looks to me like the Lanc made the drop, baked quite a bit to the left and is now turning back to the right??????  A very cool image in any case.  

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Thu, 16 Apr 2015 15:49:24 +0000
buzzc320 on "The Dambusters - Three Good Bounces" by Robert Taylor http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/the-dambusters-three-good-bounces-by-robert-taylor#p55078 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/the-dambusters-three-good-bounces-by-robert-taylor#p55078

eHangar said 
Which image do eHangar members prefer? wink

Right now, I'm liking the RT1 print. The bouncing bomb is closer, more smoke/action at the dam itself, and you can vividly see the spotlight beams under the Lancs.

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Thu, 16 Apr 2015 11:43:29 +0000
eHangar on "The Dambusters - Three Good Bounces" by Robert Taylor http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/the-dambusters-three-good-bounces-by-robert-taylor#p55073 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/the-dambusters-three-good-bounces-by-robert-taylor#p55073 fuzzy, that was my initial reaction too.

Breaching The Dam by Nicolas Trudgian

Breaching The Dam by Nicolas Trudgian, for comparison.

Which image do eHangar members prefer? wink

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Thu, 16 Apr 2015 03:47:37 +0000
fuzzy on "The Dambusters - Three Good Bounces" by Robert Taylor http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/the-dambusters-three-good-bounces-by-robert-taylor#p55071 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/the-dambusters-three-good-bounces-by-robert-taylor#p55071 As we all know, there have been a huge number of Dambuster prints published.  It's one of those subjects that has had more than its fair share of art devoted to it.  I always say, there's no point in bringing out another print of a subject like that unless it's a great image.  I'm going to welcome this release because it looks like a great image based on the jpeg.

A friend of mine did point out that the composition is very similar to Trudgian's "Breaching the Dams".  The aircraft angles are almost identical, and the backgrounds are very similar.  That's one of the problems that is inherent with so many prints devoted to the same incident, you're bound to get some repetition.

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Thu, 16 Apr 2015 01:29:11 +0000
CBI on "The Dambusters - Three Good Bounces" by Robert Taylor http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/the-dambusters-three-good-bounces-by-robert-taylor#p55063 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/the-dambusters-three-good-bounces-by-robert-taylor#p55063 New release, looks really great - very tempting although its a beaten to death subject.  That said, perhaps one of the most impressive RT DB prints I can think of.

http://www.brooksart.com/Three.....unces.html

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Tue, 14 Apr 2015 00:44:28 +0000
CBI on Release Your Breaks And Hunt For Heaven by William S Phillips http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/release-your-breaks-and-hunt-for-heaven-by-william-s-phillips#p55017 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/release-your-breaks-and-hunt-for-heaven-by-william-s-phillips#p55017 I seem to recall that there was some sort of book/pamphlet about Phillips' Doolittle paintings and that this one or one similar was in there so this might be an older painting.

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Fri, 03 Apr 2015 15:17:37 +0000
Guss on Release Your Breaks And Hunt For Heaven by William S Phillips http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/release-your-breaks-and-hunt-for-heaven-by-william-s-phillips#p55016 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/release-your-breaks-and-hunt-for-heaven-by-william-s-phillips#p55016 Wow is an understatement!  Great composition and excellent detail - you can almost hear the full throttle engines.  Thanks for sharing CBI.

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Thu, 02 Apr 2015 03:15:14 +0000
CBI on Release Your Breaks And Hunt For Heaven by William S Phillips http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/release-your-breaks-and-hunt-for-heaven-by-william-s-phillips#p55015 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/release-your-breaks-and-hunt-for-heaven-by-william-s-phillips#p55015 This is absolutely terrific.  Love the subject - wow!  

http://www.brooksart.com/Relea.....rakes.html

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Thu, 02 Apr 2015 02:33:49 +0000
fuzzy on Collecting Aviation Art: A dying market? http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/collecting-aviation-art-a-dying-market#p55001 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/collecting-aviation-art-a-dying-market#p55001 I often wonder if the overwhelming aviation art popularity of Battle of Britain/Doolittle Raid/Dambuster Raid/Eastern Front Luftwaffe is truly based on collector interest, or if it was simply driven by what aviation art publishers chose to offer based on availability of signatures?

It certainly seems to be that way for aviation art, but other aspects of aviation interest don't really reflect the same intense focus on those few subjects.

Take books for example.  Check out the aviation/military section of a good bookstore or online store and you will find a very wide variety of subjects, and not just those select few.

Take models for example.  Check out a hobby shop or online store and you will find a stunning array of kits - almost anything you can imagine - not just Spitfires/Me-109s/Mustangs/B-17s/Lancasters.

Obviously, the main aviation art themes & aircraft are universally popular.  However, other areas of aviation interest offer a much more diverse array of subject matter.

I think the signatures have skewed this hobby into such a narrow focus on a handful of aviation topics.  I also think this repetitiveness has contributed to our current market malaise. 

You say there's another B-17 print coming out?  Meh...  (Indifference; to be used when one simply does not care.)

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