eHangar.com - Forum: Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art Simple:Press Version 5.5.2 fuzzy on More Taylor Giclees.. http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/more-taylor-giclees#p54507 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/more-taylor-giclees#p54507 David,

Recent canvases are not matte, nor are they gloss, they are in between - like an egg-shell or a semi-gloss.  I like the finish.

The "Phantom Strike" canvas is the standard 24 x 36 size.  The original is noticeably bigger.  In general, the RT originals I saw do have some texture to the paint finish.  Usually just in specific spots where he's trying to emphasize something.  Sometimes there is a lot of texture in the ground cover, as he picks out certain things to highlight.  It's not thick layers of paint - I've heard it called "impasto" - though.  It is no surprise that there is more detail in the original.

The biggest difference between the two is color.  I think that's the biggest challenge for a canvas giclee that is made years later without access to the original painting. 

If the original painting is present, and the publisher wants to make the effort, they can produce a canvas giclee that is virtually identical.  I saw an example of that in Rick Herter's studio.  He had a carrier painting sitting next to its canvas giclee that were indistinguishable.  He worked with a great photographer and put the work in it and the result was as close to perfect as you can get.

When a publisher is making a canvas giclee without the original present, they have to rely on something else to base the image on (transparency, photo, scan, print).  That will introduce differences.  As we've seen with a few of the MG & Greenwich Workshop canvases of old images, the result doesn't always translate well.

Kurt

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Sun, 19 Oct 2014 13:05:53 +0000
DC on More Taylor Giclees.. http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/more-taylor-giclees#p54506 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/more-taylor-giclees#p54506

fuzzy said
In general, the more recent MG canvases I have seen have been better than their first few.  That being said, I recommend actually getting a look at one before buying, because you can't be sure until you see it.

I share DC's assessment that "Moral Support" and "Return of the Few" were a step down from the prints.

On the other hand, I thought "Channel Dash" and "JG-52" were very good.

Interestingly, Gene Eisenberg had a canvas of "Phantom Strike" right next to the original.  That's not really a fair comparison, is it?  Of course, sitting next to the original, the canvas came up short.  Perhaps the canvas by itself would look pretty good, but next to the original, no contest!

Vey interesting reading about the original and the copy side by side. 

Is the original a different size to the Copy ?

Does the original have visibly more texture to the paint finish ?

Regarding the later canvases, are they now more of a waxy finish, or are they still a very dry matt finish ?

David

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Sun, 19 Oct 2014 07:58:59 +0000
fuzzy on More Taylor Giclees.. http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/more-taylor-giclees#p54503 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/more-taylor-giclees#p54503 In general, the more recent MG canvases I have seen have been better than their first few.  That being said, I recommend actually getting a look at one before buying, because you can't be sure until you see it.

I share DC's assessment that "Moral Support" and "Return of the Few" were a step down from the prints.

On the other hand, I thought "Channel Dash" and "JG-52" were very good.

Interestingly, Gene Eisenberg had a canvas of "Phantom Strike" right next to the original.  That's not really a fair comparison, is it?  Of course, sitting next to the original, the canvas came up short.  Perhaps the canvas by itself would look pretty good, but next to the original, no contest!

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Sun, 19 Oct 2014 01:31:51 +0000
DC on More Taylor Giclees.. http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/more-taylor-giclees#p54501 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/more-taylor-giclees#p54501

Darren Howie said
JG52 and Baders bus company.

glad im not dependent on the value of my prints being slashed by a decietful publisher grabbing for cash.

i guess the phrase "all means of reproduction" doesnt really mean anything.

 

I purchased the Return Of The Few and Moral Support Canvas editions, and was disappointed by the quality. Has any one bought some of the later ones ? If so, has the quality improved ?

I am interested in getting Phantom Strike, but would not want to spend £500 for the same quality as the early canvas prints.

However, I do have Phantom Fury, that was produced before they started doing the back catalogue of Taylor prints on Canvas. Phantom Fury canvas is excellent quality.

Still looking to swap my Higher Call for a Taylor Canvas.

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Sat, 18 Oct 2014 20:22:24 +0000
fuzzy on Robert Taylor's "JG-52" http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/robert-taylors-jg-52#p54487 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/robert-taylors-jg-52#p54487 Bruce,

Do you know how it was framed? 

The best case would be using acid free (conservation) materials, behind UV protecting glass, and secured with mounting corners so it can be removed with no evidence of framing.  That would help the value a lot, as if it was framed properly, the print should be nearly mint.

The worst case would be that it was drymounted, which would really crush the value.  Any kind of taping the print to secure it is not ideal.  Non-conservation framing materials will usually leave visible marks and/or discolor the paper.  These kind of defects would all put a big dent in the value.

The big one for a framed print is fading.  JG-52 is a fairly old print (1987?).  The older prints had inks that were much less fade-resistant, but I'm not sure when they switched over.  If the image is noticeably faded, that is bad.  A rough guess at the value of a noticeably faded print would be 15-25% of the value of a mint print.

Without seeing a photo to see if the print has faded, or knowing how it was framed, it's not possible to assign a value.  If you can give us some idea of the condition, we might be able to give a range.

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Wed, 15 Oct 2014 00:30:34 +0000
docbruce on Robert Taylor's "JG-52" http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/robert-taylors-jg-52#p54485 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/robert-taylors-jg-52#p54485 Hi all,

I posted this topic in the temporary classified section, but this may be a more appropriate section.  I must, unfortunately, sell my framed copy of Robert Taylor's "JG-52."  It has all of the signatures and it is NOT remarqued.  It is #469/1000.  I think I purchased it around when it was released - 1986 or '87 and framed it immediately.  Looking on the internet I see prices all over the map.  There's a listing currently on eBay for $2900 which looks to be about the same way mine is framed.  I can take some photos and post them if that will help, but I need some guidance on how much to ask for the piece.

Many thanks,

Bruce

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Tue, 14 Oct 2014 22:28:47 +0000
CBI on The Aviation Art of Robert Perry http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/the-aviation-art-of-robert-perry#p54436 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/the-aviation-art-of-robert-perry#p54436 Appliance - Yes, many sizes are offered, one can go with a smaller size if framing costs are an issue however I think Robert's images don't need fancy framing, the simpler the better for me.  

Robert352 - In re shipping costs to Australia, that stinks but the print prices themselves are low enough to make them still very affordable. 

 

These images are amazing in person and totally worth the "risk" in giving them a try.

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Thu, 02 Oct 2014 01:27:11 +0000
robert352 on The Aviation Art of Robert Perry http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/the-aviation-art-of-robert-perry#p54435 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/the-aviation-art-of-robert-perry#p54435 Thanks CBI,

I too like "200" very much, digital art is getting so much better nowadays it has becoming far less "digital" looking compared to the early-days.

I like the many different printing option and was very interested in having it done on metal or on canvas, I know you said avoid canvas but i have a canvas print of Jim Laurier's "Steinhoff's Charge" and it is stunning.

The only downside to Robert Perry's site is that as i am from Australia every print has $50 US added to it for postage which is very annoying because i have had prints shipped out for way less than this. 

We have the same problem with eBay as well and seems to be worse from the UK postage can often be more that the print you wanted to buy.

Postage however is no reflection on Robert Perry's art, just a bitch in general and i most likely would have ordered "200" if i wasn't put off with the postage.

                     

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Thu, 02 Oct 2014 01:13:53 +0000
Appliance on The Aviation Art of Robert Perry http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/the-aviation-art-of-robert-perry#p54429 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/the-aviation-art-of-robert-perry#p54429 Thanks for bringing this artist to our attention. His work is excellent and obviously outstanding value. I note he also offers 60" prints ... the framing costs I suspect would not only outweigh their purchase price but also their heightened impact.

Thanks for sharing the new updates to the 'man cave' whilst remaining curious about the other framed goodies you have stashed away. smile2

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Tue, 30 Sep 2014 21:42:13 +0000
JC on Robert Taylor DOUBLE STRIKE Israeli F-4 Phantom http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/robert-taylor-double-strike-israeli-f-4-phantom#p54421 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/robert-taylor-double-strike-israeli-f-4-phantom#p54421 I had the same feeling DC.

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Tue, 30 Sep 2014 07:08:11 +0000
robert352 on Robert Taylor DOUBLE STRIKE Israeli F-4 Phantom http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/robert-taylor-double-strike-israeli-f-4-phantom#p54419 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/robert-taylor-double-strike-israeli-f-4-phantom#p54419 Double Strike by Robert Taylor 2014

It is almost a reverse angle of Phantom Fury.

Phantom Fury by Robert Taylor (F-4)

In the same way the Phantom Showtime

Phantom Showtime by Robert Taylor

Was the reverse of Phantom Strike

Phantom Strike by Robert Taylor.

But all nitpicking aside as i have a copy of "One Mig Down"

I will have to have this new print when it is released.

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Tue, 30 Sep 2014 06:37:05 +0000
CBI on The Aviation Art of Robert Perry http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/the-aviation-art-of-robert-perry#p54417 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/the-aviation-art-of-robert-perry#p54417 Man cave re-worked a little plus two new SUPERB Robert Perry editions, both HUGE!!!!

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/RW1401/IMG_2967_zps84d9366f.jpg

"200"  Can't think of a better 109 print!

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/RW1401/IMG_2973_zps87b2bb5a.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/RW1401/IMG_2971_zps8a86f45b.jpg

"Minsi 3"

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/RW1401/IMG_2974_zpse4e451bc.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/RW1401/IMG_2975_zpsdf429ac2.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/RW1401/IMG_2970_zpsf1e12d90.jpg

Best buys and about the best printing on the market for Glicee.  These are 48 inch wide prints!

Super work Robert!!!!!

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Mon, 29 Sep 2014 20:03:25 +0000
fuzzy on Robert Taylor DOUBLE STRIKE Israeli F-4 Phantom http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/robert-taylor-double-strike-israeli-f-4-phantom#p54416 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/robert-taylor-double-strike-israeli-f-4-phantom#p54416 DC,

I did hear that problems with obtaining signatures have delayed the print release.  I wonder when we'll see the print?

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Mon, 29 Sep 2014 20:01:18 +0000
DC on Robert Taylor DOUBLE STRIKE Israeli F-4 Phantom http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/robert-taylor-double-strike-israeli-f-4-phantom#p54410 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/robert-taylor-double-strike-israeli-f-4-phantom#p54410 Not see n it in the UK yet.....s it being held up due to the current situation in the Middle East ?

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Sun, 28 Sep 2014 20:12:31 +0000
robert352 on More Taylor Giclees.. http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/more-taylor-giclees#p54406 Collecting Aviation Art http://ehangar.com/forum/collecting-aviation-art/more-taylor-giclees#p54406 Hi Guys,

If you are looking for a good cheap copy of Horrido.

http://www.aviationart.com.au/.....4243f90ad9

Yes agree as well with the canvas prints i have Phantom Strike the print and a bit annoyed i was always under the impression the the "plates" were to be destroyed but anything is possible now with digital prints/photos,

I have also been trying to find a copy of JG 52 but more fore the collection of signatures than the pic

Rob

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Sun, 28 Sep 2014 14:20:11 +0000